tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post2050633510978278384..comments2023-11-05T23:07:01.842+11:00Comments on Grog's Gamut: Listening for the new told liesGreg Jerichohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-5108768122590377122010-09-09T12:39:23.245+10:002010-09-09T12:39:23.245+10:00Sorry about the double post.Sorry about the double post.Ozymandiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14599135671821461576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-21037033515783539862010-09-09T12:37:56.616+10:002010-09-09T12:37:56.616+10:00This "illegitimate" meme is already bein...This "illegitimate" meme is already being established, virtually unchallenged, in the MSM. So are the lies about the LNP getting "more votes and more seats" at the election. The government needs some heavy-hitters to come out and stomp on this nonsense, and to castigate the MSM for not exposing the myths foaming from the usual Coalition mouths.<br /><br />Others have observed that the MSM see themselves as major players in the political process -and so they should be: as objective, unbiassed reporters of facts, as well as impartial interpreters of political shifts and machinations. They have operated this way in the past.<br /><br />I think it is more than coincidence that MSM journalistic standards began to fall dramatically when the old Australian Journalists Association merged with Actors Equity to form the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance.Ozymandiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14599135671821461576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-87119285921248901262010-09-09T12:36:41.203+10:002010-09-09T12:36:41.203+10:00This "illegitimate" meme is already bein...This "illegitimate" meme is already being established, virtually unchallenged, in the MSM. So are the lies about the LNP getting "more votes and more seats" at the election. The government needs some heavy-hitters to come out and stomp on this nonsense, and to castigate the MSM for not exposing the myths foaming from the usual Coalition mouths.<br /><br />Others have observed that the MSM see themselves as major players in the political process -and so they should be: as objective, unbiassed reporters of facts, as well as impartial interpreters of political shifts and machinations. They have operated this way in the past.<br /><br />I think it is more than coincidence that MSM journalistic standards began to fall dramatically when the old Australian Journalists Association merged with Actors Equity to form the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance.Ozymandiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14599135671821461576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-41585344582862970872010-09-09T12:09:32.164+10:002010-09-09T12:09:32.164+10:00@Paul - My understanding is that Quigley is ex-New...@Paul - My understanding is that Quigley is ex-NewsLtd. Your right though - vicious little article!Malcolm Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11060109670290978219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-49653235215999102982010-09-09T11:59:45.340+10:002010-09-09T11:59:45.340+10:00And so the belittling of Oakeshott goes on: Caroli...And so the belittling of Oakeshott goes on: Caroline Overington and Ray Hadley think it's a HOOT apparently. <br /><br />http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mediadiary/index.php/australianmedia/comments/rob_oakeshotts_comedy_show_via_ray_hadley/<br /><br />22 minutes to explain why the man chose a Prime Minister - about the length of most US sitcoms. But apparently too long for many of the representatives of Australia's media to concentrate.P.M.Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08824714562191562113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-75367938465548179132010-09-09T11:32:47.367+10:002010-09-09T11:32:47.367+10:00Heard the Age's Tony Wright on radio yesterday...Heard the Age's Tony Wright on radio yesterday banging on for nearly 10 minutes about how long Oakeshott took to announce his decision and didn't he realise journos had deadlines. How dare Oakeshott keep them all waiting!!<br /><br />Seemed a perfect illustration of what is wrong with the political media. They think it's all about them and that they are players in the game. IMHO, it is time they were put back in their boxes and firmly reminded that they are the lapdogs of the politicians, not them theirs.<br /><br />Much of this emanates from the flunkies of a certain foreign media baron. The government could do no greater service to Australia than sending Rupert packing. It is time our media was returned to local ownership.morewestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-85016905645541698972010-09-09T08:18:45.021+10:002010-09-09T08:18:45.021+10:00V true, PM Newton. I watched Steve Cannane on ABC...V true, PM Newton. I watched Steve Cannane on ABC 24 on Tuesday, and some journo (I don't remember any of their names) bitched that Oakeshott took so long, and if he took that long with a bill blah blah blah. (I can't remember it exactly, and I can't find a transcript.)<br /><br />What a STUPID comment. God forbid any member should take his or her time when considering a bill or passing legislation. Idiot.Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-6524858950643636002010-09-09T08:17:13.622+10:002010-09-09T08:17:13.622+10:00The article by Anita Quigley in the SMH today is p...The article by Anita Quigley in the SMH today is pretty bloody nasty. Is she looking for a job at News Ltd?Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-29045442116657724532010-09-08T23:09:14.115+10:002010-09-08T23:09:14.115+10:00I have to admit to being irritated by the mining t...I have to admit to being irritated by the mining tax issue popping up as a misunderstanding. You would think that everyone would have had their eye on that particular ball during the negotiations about a tax summit. From the outside it looks very amateurish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-30654429310125744562010-09-08T22:59:04.426+10:002010-09-08T22:59:04.426+10:00The Liberals showed their true colours today and I...The Liberals showed their true colours today and I am damn sure the voters will have taken not of that especially in the independents own seats. Katter is problably now sorry he went with the lib's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-13798859874313730232010-09-08T22:19:16.018+10:002010-09-08T22:19:16.018+10:00The point you make about the potential for Conserv...The point you make about the potential for Conservative Private Members Bills to get through both the Senate and then the Reps until Fielding fades away on June 30 is an important and very real one.<br /><br />Bill Heffernan has already said the Libs will have another go at getting through legislation purportedly overturning Qld's Wild Rivers law. (Wild Rivers is an important issue on a number of levels, but I won't go into that here, beyond saying the Lib's Bill was a poorly drafted political stunt which wouldn't even have the effect they allege it has)<br /><br />They demonstrated they had the number to get this Bill through the current Senate just before the election (although hopefully Xenophon would pay a bit more attention this time around in a context where he knows it is likely to be debated and voted on in the Reps).<br /><br />It's impossible to guess how Windsor, Oakeshott or Wilkie would vote on it, but you can bet there would be every effort made by the Libs and their cheersquad to once again use this Aboriginal issue as a political wedge on the Independents (esp as Katter is already on side at least on the alleged principle).<br /><br />Expect the government to try schedule a relatively small number of sitting days for the House of Reps in the first half of next year, and compensate with a larger number of sitting weeks in the second half of the year.<br /><br />(and yes, you're very right to point out that the poisonous petulant response from most of the Libs and Nats proves how spot on Windsor & Oakeshott's judgement was about the supposed 'stability' of the Coalition and the skindeep nature of their welcome mat.Andrew Bartletthttp://www.andrewbartlett.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-62217801909597609072010-09-08T22:17:55.684+10:002010-09-08T22:17:55.684+10:00hachemD - that would be my guess.
P.M. Newton - a...hachemD - that would be my guess.<br /><br />P.M. Newton - agreed, a guy actually takes time to explain his decsison - perhaps the biggest decision ever made in Australian politics, and he gets blasted and ridiculed for taking too long. The media should have been celebrating his words - for once someone didn't speak in soundbites.Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-84663722618964506592010-09-08T22:15:56.080+10:002010-09-08T22:15:56.080+10:00Cheers Ghost, that suggests revenue raising measur...Cheers Ghost, that suggests revenue raising measures, but what about expenditures?Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-79194576820293365022010-09-08T22:05:31.126+10:002010-09-08T22:05:31.126+10:00"It is interesting that today the Libs and Na..."It is interesting that today the Libs and Nationals (and other assorted conservative media types) were not attacking the ALP (that will come later) but were going in boots first, studs up at Oakeshott and Windsor."<br /><br />It is very disheartening to read and hear a lot of the snide mockery of Oakeshott taking place today in some quarters of the media. <br /><br />Seems to be a feeling that instead of spending a bit of time explaining in detail the thought processes behind the decision to back a government, Oakeshott ought to have reduced it to a simple soundbite and buggered off so that "normal" programming - talking heads argy-bargy - could resume. <br /><br />Is it a deliberate attempt to belittle him, and Windsor, and thereby try and diminish their authority in holding casting votes?<br /><br />Or is it just another example of the limited attention span and ability of the media. If so, the "new paradigm" does not bode real well for the kind of detailed policy analysis that will be required to report on a parliament where legislation is going to debated, scrutinised, questioned and shaped rather than just rammed through on the numbers.P.M.Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08824714562191562113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-50979236428326329892010-09-08T21:59:57.653+10:002010-09-08T21:59:57.653+10:00Stephen Smith to fill the massive hole that Tanner...Stephen Smith to fill the massive hole that Tanner was left?hachemDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-48969871100291420202010-09-08T21:44:57.699+10:002010-09-08T21:44:57.699+10:00Well Grog,
The conservatives were diddled out of w...Well Grog,<br />The conservatives were diddled out of what was rightfully theirs...in their view. The voters got it wrong in their view. You know 'the Australian voter is no fool', one day, but the next, 'they are fools in not electing us!'<br />Your point about private member's bills from the opposition getting through the house is interesting. But if they get through the house, maybe it is because the bills are worthwhile.<br />I'm optimistic that the coalition will do all they can to destroy the workings of the house. I'm optimistic that the well-meaning people in the place will make it work.Longfulannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-54927217494840027802010-09-08T21:35:21.764+10:002010-09-08T21:35:21.764+10:00"I am not sure how this will go if the Bills ..."I am not sure how this will go if the Bills have budgetary implications, but I do predict a fun old time in the Parliament."<br /><br />From the Standing Orders:<br /><br />"179 Taxation proposals initiated by Minister<br /><br />(a) Only a Minister may initiate a proposal to impose, increase, or decrease a tax or duty, or change the scope of any charge.<br /><br />(b) Only a Minister may move an amendment to the proposal which increases or extends the scope of the charge proposed beyond the total already existing under any Act of Parliament.<br /><br />(c) A Member who is not a Minister may move an amendment to the proposal which does not increase or extend the scope of the charge proposed beyond the total already existing under any Act of Parliament."GhostWhoVoteshttps://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotesnoreply@blogger.com