tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post4443539930729412518..comments2023-11-05T23:07:01.842+11:00Comments on Grog's Gamut: Time to give "gravitas" a hand movementGreg Jerichohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-68208995298414788222010-11-02T22:44:36.554+11:002010-11-02T22:44:36.554+11:00Opps a double negative, a second reason why it won...Opps a double negative, a second reason why it won't be published, poor proof reading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-78572224655448999662010-11-02T22:41:26.471+11:002010-11-02T22:41:26.471+11:00I don't think my comment on Peter Brent's ...I don't think my comment on Peter Brent's blog will not make publication. I expressed a similar view using expressive 4 letter words. Hopefully we are looking at low point when it comes Australian political journalisms. I say, fire the bloody lot of them and start again.<br /><br />Thank god I can read your blog for a sane summary of the days events in Canberra.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-44406257801449796412010-11-02T20:59:33.767+11:002010-11-02T20:59:33.767+11:00"several observers"
I can see that one ..."several observers"<br /><br />I can see that one becoming a favoured meme for the piss takers.Jim's Iguananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-81879963260343182282010-11-02T16:49:01.177+11:002010-11-02T16:49:01.177+11:00Well said Kerryn Goldsworthy.
"That's wha...Well said Kerryn Goldsworthy.<br />"That's what they really mean, and they don't even know it". For those "several observers" it just looks wrong, wrong wrong.<br />I can't remember one example of PM Gillard sounding shrill, but watching [under sufferance] Senate Question Time last week I noticed a couple of Coalition women who were very shrill and angry. Maybe those observers missed that.<br />Maybe they haven't noticed the Opposition Leader sounds like a fifth grader when he's reading his speeches, but never mind, they're only interested in the failings of the PM.<br />As usual Grog, you've nailed it.Pipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-36602048060774683232010-11-02T15:52:54.146+11:002010-11-02T15:52:54.146+11:00Bloody marvellousBloody marvellousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-79515160158037767592010-11-02T13:41:30.350+11:002010-11-02T13:41:30.350+11:00Several observers told me this post has gravitas -...Several observers told me this post has gravitas - well done Grog.<br /><br />Gillard is "growing" into the job - most other recent PM's have had an opportunity to "develop" their PM character prior to getting the job in the first place.<br /><br />Did the bloke that threw the shoes at Howard on Q&A the other night have more or less gravitas than Howard - tricky questions - heh?2353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-7981906755255062822010-11-02T11:53:15.908+11:002010-11-02T11:53:15.908+11:00Greg, every time I read the paper and think, they ...Greg, every time I read the paper and think, they have got to be kidding with the ridiculous diatribe, I think someone should take them up on it (i'm too lazy)... then I log on to your blog and my thoughts are already written down. And in a better way than I could write them.<br /><br />Thank you!Stafanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-15791183664127576372010-11-02T09:17:04.902+11:002010-11-02T09:17:04.902+11:00Um, agree, 'shrill' is another one they&#...Um, agree, 'shrill' is another one they're trying to pin on PM Gillard. Not quite a 'shrew', but then, well, that would be a bit too obvious from the perpetual criticism machine that is 'The Australian', and the other News Ltd toadies.<br /> Honestly, Julia Gillard could bring about the apocryphal World Peace, and the next day The Oz would have tasked Greg Sheridan with writing a takedown pointing out how it would send American Military Industrial companies to the wall. Oh the horror of JG creating all that extra unemployment in the US! The Australian et al is THAT predictable. They are best ignored.Hillbilly Skeletonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-74390178337013932812010-11-02T09:00:14.145+11:002010-11-02T09:00:14.145+11:00Would it be wrong to suggest that Julia Gillard is...Would it be wrong to suggest that Julia Gillard is simply being a realist? If she brings major policy reform forward at present, with a hostile senate, she will be lambasted as failing. If she does nothing, she'll be lambasted for doing nothing. Could she not be buying time until the new senate is formed, enabling her to deliver on policy initiatives?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-65520586562826898792010-11-02T02:33:35.598+11:002010-11-02T02:33:35.598+11:00And with all the problems in the region all Gillar...And with all the problems in the region all Gillard is doing is whining about a couple of thousand refugees who dare to think that because we promised the entire world we would protect any refugee in our territory they should not expect to be alloeed to come here by boat.<br /><br />It's a fucking island, she came on a boat. What is she on about and why is the OZ advocating everyone stop paying for transport and stay home and die?<br /><br />Gillard is just awful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-12302838364673290872010-11-02T01:42:09.584+11:002010-11-02T01:42:09.584+11:00I don't think these MSM commentators actually ...I don't think these MSM commentators actually know the correct use of the word gravitas. It primarily means behaving in a dignified manner, or with a serious demeanour. I have never seen Gillard be anything *but* dignified and serious when engaging the public, especially under the onslaught of the shrill and aggressive media (and opposition) attacks that we see daily.<br /><br />BTW, although I like her, I've always disliked the hand movements. It reminds me of 80s boy band choreography!Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-37491733466845157192010-11-01T23:34:38.074+11:002010-11-01T23:34:38.074+11:00"Several observers have commented that after ..."Several observers have commented that after four months Julia Gillard is not yet looking prime ministerial. She lacks that hard-to-define ‘something’: gravitas; authority."<br /><br />Or a penis. She lacks that hard-to-define penis. That's what they really mean, and they don't even know it.Kerryn Goldsworthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11270814460793882309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-17389029212356938052010-11-01T22:46:44.435+11:002010-11-01T22:46:44.435+11:00Oh the stress !
“if the planners in this governme...Oh the stress !<br /><br />“if the planners in this government don’t get their act together the end, compared to the finish of the Weimar Republic, could risk looking like a church social.”<br />Should read -<br />if the planners in this government don’t get their act together, by comparison, the end of the Weimar Republic could risk looking like a church social.<br /><br />I would humbly submit the decision of the last election, out in the regions, the reasons why voters in those regions gave that message was all about a historical precedent – no taxation without representation.<br />Too difficult to imagine – isn’t it?Calligulanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-10122451473871714782010-11-01T22:25:43.387+11:002010-11-01T22:25:43.387+11:00Gravitas (from Latin) is a quality of substance or...Gravitas (from Latin) is a quality of substance or depth of personality.<br />An expensive quality to project in politics.<br /><br />I’m old enough to remember JH when he was young.<br />Gravitas non.<br /><br />I remember Joh , whom I hated, in town one morning strolling about with the local joke.<br />Joh didn’t need gravitas. In my books he was just bloody infuriating Joh.<br /><br />And I remember his predecessor.<br />He didn’t last more than a few weeks as premier but a day or two before he started as premier he visited my home, paid his respects to my mum and delivered her his sympathy after the death of an old friend of his, my grandfather.<br /><br />Now he had gravitas and courtesy by the bucketload.<br /><br />Or perhaps I’m biased?<br />I reckon, Greg, that these days we have mostly forgotten about ‘class’.<br />Our elect are unable to show much class because undoubtedly anything they say will inevitably be misconstrued by mostly everyone.<br /><br />So many hint that Jules is intelligent yet by my rules all she has been doing is avoiding saying anything we really need to hear.<br />Has me completely stuffed what motivated the coup.<br />Kev undoubtedly would have won the election with a fair majority – decided it was a prick of a job and dumped it on her midway through next year in the same way that Beattie fitted up Madame Bligh.<br /><br />Meanwhile Tones – if he doesn’t suffer a seizure shortly with all the frustration of being ‘groomed’ and what?<br />Like being muzzled by his minders like a greyhound being walked down Parramatta Road – then John Howard is a monkey’s uncle.<br /><br />Gravitas, courtesy, manners, ethical conduct, Bushido – variously, the way.<br />All societies have standards that if broken or ignored by the lordly ones means future trouble.<br />Contempt and masterly inactivity – apparently our latterly adopted standard, has never sufficed in the past and shall not in the future.<br />As I’ve said elsewhere if the planners in this government don’t get their act together the end, compared to the finish of the Weimar Republic, could risk looking like a church social.<br /><br />Which reminds me that I’d written to you about establishing my own effort of a weblog at your advice. - http://calligulashorse.blogspot.com/<br /><br />I’m new at that sort of thing and gave you a plug on my ‘maiden speech’.<br />Gravitas – Hmm?CALLIGULAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-69795317027097718622010-11-01T22:06:28.221+11:002010-11-01T22:06:28.221+11:00Is it a chick thing? That is, is it a way of denig...Is it a chick thing? That is, is it a way of denigrating someone's sex? I note that Karl Rove doubts that Sarah Palin has the gravitas to be US president in 2012. I think that lack of gravitas might be the least of her deficiencies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-3978279949040961062010-11-01T21:56:21.260+11:002010-11-01T21:56:21.260+11:00One persons opinion I do not agree with is ex PM M...One persons opinion I do not agree with is ex PM Mr. Howard saying PM Gillard run a shrill campaign. There is nothing shrill about the woman. Now Mr. Pyne is another matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-64766760697254468672010-11-01T21:40:35.544+11:002010-11-01T21:40:35.544+11:00Exactly!
Who was the politician (maybe it was Chur...Exactly!<br />Who was the politician (maybe it was Churchill even?) who said words to the effect of "the less you see or hear of a PM the better, for it usually means they are actually doing their job, rather than trying to appear as if they are doing it".<br />Gillard should (and inevitably will) be judged on her results.<br />And as for John Howard's (lack of) gravitas one only needs to pose the question: How many jokes did Howard ever crack? None. Like you said - no dignity, no gravitas, no substance, but worst of all, no sense of humourBillhttp://Sydneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-49183409561160236692010-11-01T21:40:12.403+11:002010-11-01T21:40:12.403+11:00It seems the political reporters are yet to treat ...It seems the political reporters are yet to treat their readers to the not-so-banal event of making policy. <br /><br />Yes, we know the sausages analogy thingy but standing up in front of a nation with a policy that will change price sensitive behaviour by penalising those that resist is- by Yes Minister standards -a courageous decision.<br /><br />Let's focus on the hand movements instead and identify the courageous ones. Those with sufficient gravitas.<br /><br />No need for the banalities of Hansard in this picture book worldlapuntadelfinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-44427586752795203132010-11-01T21:08:04.872+11:002010-11-01T21:08:04.872+11:00Ooh, snarky.
The media commentary on politics rec...Ooh, snarky.<br /><br />The media commentary on politics recently has been so incredibly vacuous. It's hard to keep paying attention.Andosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-14896694434520527712010-11-01T20:51:09.754+11:002010-11-01T20:51:09.754+11:00Yep nice article.
Well it must be cos that's w...Yep nice article.<br />Well it must be cos that's what several observers told me.<br /><br />Oh and BTW, I like Julia's hand movements.<br /><br />Its interesting that her body language and her verbals are in agreement whereas several observers have noted that that Abbott's body language screams macho aggression at all times no matter what he is umming and arrring about at the time.<br /><br />fredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-2692181782328867872010-11-01T20:44:56.312+11:002010-11-01T20:44:56.312+11:00Thank you, Grog. The voice of sanity and reason, y...Thank you, Grog. The voice of sanity and reason, yet again.<br /><br />Maybe gravitas is the flip side of arrogance. That's another accusation levelled at successful politicians that I have never understood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com