tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post5526837504917149996..comments2023-11-05T23:07:01.842+11:00Comments on Grog's Gamut: Fairfax and G20 visits – What do we need? What do we trust?Greg Jerichohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-62055300505687355402012-06-27T02:22:04.156+10:002012-06-27T02:22:04.156+10:00I saw the initial article in the OZ, and was suss....I saw the initial article in the OZ, and was suss. Not knowing how to access the recording of the press conference, and being on the end of a wireless connection in regional Tasmania making it too frustrating to stream the document, I did the next best thing. I did some research.<br /><br />It took only a few minutes to have more detailed reporting on the interchange. It was readily apparent that this had nothing to do with JG being slapped down by the Europeans. So once again I was, to call a spade a spade, lied to by the M$M. (Notice the groovy way I added the dollar sign. I am not going to call the mainstream media MM, as to me that is reserved for Marilyn Monroe, while adding the dollar sign encodes more information.) <br /><br />So again the lesson is go to more sources, get more information and then tell the story. <br /><br />As to loath v loathe, yes it was used incorrectly. But to pick it up as a 'talking point' is ridiculous. All that this shows is that English is a terrible train wreck of a language, which seems to exist only to trap unwary users into mistakes. As Joyce (James, not Barnaby) had Stephen Dedalus say, "A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals to discovery." Maybe the blogger really did mean, I hate intensely the business model etc. And what is there not to hate about a business model which is based on the peddling lies as truth, a business model than fans the flames of racism and irrational thought, a business model that has manifestly failed.<br /><br />Keep up the good work! And remember "More mentors, fewer pedants!"metaboleushttp://bogong-moth.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-27465044707201573272012-06-27T01:56:32.747+10:002012-06-27T01:56:32.747+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tomás Ó Conghalaigh 17/09/1960-13/10/2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/12055136206499617221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-36407207223027446262012-06-21T14:54:01.788+10:002012-06-21T14:54:01.788+10:00Not to be outdone, yesterdays SM Herald editorial ...Not to be outdone, yesterdays SM Herald editorial weighed in with an editorial lecturing Julia about the error of her ways. Late and wrong, is it any surprise that Fairfax is in trouble.Vichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16016919726452597873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-31323192238507345632012-06-21T10:14:15.114+10:002012-06-21T10:14:15.114+10:00Well said.
I used to have a weekend ritual - 3 we...Well said.<br /><br />I used to have a weekend ritual - 3 weekend papers for a what was for me a fun weekend.<br /><br />They then got rather sad and full of the same misinformation - that often when checked against original sources was misrepresented.<br /><br />Then it was just the AFR - yeah the back end was crazy opinion - but the policy analysis, often in the middle, was top notch.<br /><br />Even mid last year, eg policy analysis on proposed ETS - it was CPRS this and CEF that, what the differences where etc etc a 6 page lift out.<br /><br />Now they cannot/will not even get the terminology right - and the analysis is completely arse plucked.<br /><br />Why pay for that? Well simply, we don't.<br /><br />Wendy Bacon and her team found that alot of the press is rehashed press releases, often not even altered. Again, who would pay for that? Or more more importantly, who thinks people will continue to pay for that?DaveMcRaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00236295657025758519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-41877390685272390862012-06-21T09:32:18.155+10:002012-06-21T09:32:18.155+10:00Good points Bill - especially about most people no...Good points Bill - especially about most people not having the time to watch press conferences etc. That's where I think bloggers do play a role. But on this score, the Australian blogosphere is still pretty small - even if there are around 300 or so bloggers on Australian politics that is still small compared to the numbers of journalists. It's why following a good range of people on Twitter can help as well.<br /><br />Sue as far as I am aware there was no follow up by Annabel, nor by anyone else. At best it got altered to "Gillard defends claims" etcGreg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-73137473476195570042012-06-21T08:21:18.163+10:002012-06-21T08:21:18.163+10:00Just wondering did Annabelle follow up her tweet w...Just wondering did Annabelle follow up her tweet with an article or an opinion on the Drum? I ask because I had lost the trust factor in Annabelle and if she did I may start looking at her stories again.suenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-73268098978844233602012-06-21T06:57:57.816+10:002012-06-21T06:57:57.816+10:00I agree that much of what's now reported in th...I agree that much of what's now reported in the media is poor. My problem is that I don't have time to follow twitter and watch ABC24, let alone Sky. I need a quality source of information to filter the news for me - one that I can trust. Unfortunately, I'm not getting that. I'm certainly not prepared to pay money for what's put out by the likes of News Ltd nowadays (and I once used to buy the Australian every day - now I won't even accept a free copy).<br />I will say one thing. There's no excuse for the ABC's coverage in this instance. The ABC has the resources, they should have gone to the original source before reporting. Perhaps if they had they might have had a minor story on the Australian publishing a false story.<br />The major asset a news organisation has, especially a "serious" one, is the trust of its readers - it's goodwill in accounting terms. Media in Australia, and elsewhere I suspect, are rapidly losing that trust and goodwill at the very time when they can least afford to. The Australian in particular seems to be trashing its brand with some very one sided reporting.<br />Murdoch subsides the Australian because of the influence it brings. If people start ignoring the Australian because they no longer trust its content then Murdoch might not be a happy man. That might be something those in charge at the Australian should consider.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02179691507887634088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-19249387734977546302012-06-20T21:50:48.660+10:002012-06-20T21:50:48.660+10:00Much food for thought here, Greg. At the risk of u...Much food for thought here, Greg. At the risk of using a cliche, I think what we're looking at is a two-speed economy when it comes to news and journalism. Sure, the politically engaged have the ability to go directly to the primary source and make of the story what they will, but there are still many more who haven't the time or inclination to do that, and just want Brian to tell them. These people still vote. <br /><br />I can't believe I'm about to say this, but perhaps political reporting needs to become more like sports reporting. A sports reporter can precis the event and result, but s/he can't embellish the result too much because thousands of people saw the game and will quickly call bullshit if the report tries to spin the result.<br /><br />I suspect there's a fair bit of life left in commercial media, but it will be the role of 'bloggers and others passionate enough to track down those primary sources to act as watchdogs instead of toothless tigers like ACMA.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412983524190021368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-66524907435065927122012-06-20T18:17:06.018+10:002012-06-20T18:17:06.018+10:00I will pay for the media when it is not lies, I ca...I will pay for the media when it is not lies, I can buy fiction in the bookshop or online book depositories. When I pay for the news I expect it to be true, this was not an opinion which one could argue may lead to different views of facts, this was an outright lie, it was completely untrue. All subsequent onfeeds or copies or articles that sited or used the origina Shanna crap were onfeeding a deliberate lie. <br />When the media stops deliberately fabricating stories then they have value that seperates them from novelists, until then they are just liars and I will not give them money for facts and accept falsehoods instead.HaveAchatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-29714359022585452252012-06-20T17:07:19.175+10:002012-06-20T17:07:19.175+10:00nice worknice worklive sportshttp://sportsfunia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-88730725706192534052012-06-20T16:44:27.787+10:002012-06-20T16:44:27.787+10:00Hi Kazann.
Yes I saw Shanahan followed up his pie...Hi Kazann.<br /><br />Yes I saw Shanahan followed up his piece by saying Gillard was wrong to try and suggest Borroso was talking about others. He supported this assertion with not one piece of actual evidence. <br /><br />(But, then what use would the senior political journalist at the Oz have of evidence?)Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-87825518992900924382012-06-20T11:16:23.301+10:002012-06-20T11:16:23.301+10:00This should be compulsory readingThis should be compulsory readingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-34299109518582460122012-06-20T11:05:06.178+10:002012-06-20T11:05:06.178+10:00My own position on the mainstream media is that I&...My own position on the mainstream media is that I'm not interested in them because they've long since shown they're not interested in me. I'm not just a set of demographic information - address, gender identity, disposable income, education level, past purchases, brand preferences etc - I'm a human being who is a lot more complex than that. I'm interested in more than just "he said, she said" and "contentious issues" which boil down to some journalist wanting to create a tempest in a teacup by virtue of careful misquoting. I'm tired of being expected to accept "stories" which can be rebutted quite successfully by the famous Mandy Rice-Davies quote ("Well, he would [say that], wouldn't he?"). <br /><br />I got sick of paying for that years ago. If I want crap journalism, I can find it online too - and I don't have to worry about filling up the recycling bin with tons of useless newsprint as a result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-77917464760352041772012-06-20T10:24:47.262+10:002012-06-20T10:24:47.262+10:00A quick scan of the news today and there is no cor...A quick scan of the news today and there is no correction of their craptastic attempts at reporting/churning yesterday. In fact many are still running with the same misleading rubbish. <br />I really must send The Australian a thank you letter. Without them trying to discredit you I wouldn't have even known you exsisted.kazannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-15505823672125134132012-06-20T09:25:35.082+10:002012-06-20T09:25:35.082+10:00I'm so glad someone wrote this. I follow the n...I'm so glad someone wrote this. I follow the news closely but am usually too time-poor to read the source of the story, even when I see it tweeted.<br /><br />So I do tend to believe what Australian journalists tell me.<br /><br />Then when I discover they've basically made something up, it really annoys me. And it does discourage me from that publication, certainly from every paying for it.<br /><br />Thanks again, Greg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-82870014317035556172012-06-20T02:45:06.408+10:002012-06-20T02:45:06.408+10:00Increasingly the audience is reciprocating the con...Increasingly the audience is reciprocating the contempt with which it's treated by the media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-56274569767272646482012-06-19T23:45:32.317+10:002012-06-19T23:45:32.317+10:00Incredible article, thank you Greg.
Interesting t...Incredible article, thank you Greg.<br /><br />Interesting thing was that I busy today - but had caught flashes of this story on-line, in a quick flick through a newspaper over a cup of tea, and in the background on TV. Somehow the authenticity of the reports and Abbott's response just didn't seem to ring true - a case was being made in the media. My bullshit detector was on alert.<br /><br />Once upon a time, a trusted media otlet would give me the low-down on the constructs. This has been long missing and bloggers (thankfully) are filling in the pieces.<br /><br />Trouble is most bloggers can only manage an article every few days, and then only on their limited range of subjects - naturally enough.<br /><br />Another story that had hit my bullshit detector and now has been better explained is the Peter Wicks series on Jacksonville on Indepnedent Australia website.<br /><br />How do we aggregate these stories more efficiently? Reading blogs is great, but it takes a lot of time....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-68293513326059040352012-06-19T22:31:24.746+10:002012-06-19T22:31:24.746+10:00Nice piece Greg. You've reminded me again why ...Nice piece Greg. You've reminded me again why I despise Australia's media and the glaring need for diversity.Mac Yourselfathomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18313989345829033239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-76621768638627327832012-06-19T20:53:56.766+10:002012-06-19T20:53:56.766+10:00One of the interesting points from conversations w...One of the interesting points from conversations with 'knowledge management' professionals is that the new currency is not information, but trust.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13866756432233805848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-77644248308696709322012-06-19T20:46:14.233+10:002012-06-19T20:46:14.233+10:00Thank you for your great article. I have been watc...Thank you for your great article. I have been watching with great interest the debate on old vs new media and the Fairfax changes, especially since I am a media and communications student! I think you have hot the nail on the head. trust, or lack of it, is such a big issue. I don't trust the Murdoch press (Sheridan) to deliver an unbiased report on anything the PM says and I think that's sad. If Fairfax becomes an editorial tool for Rinehart, all trust will go there too. People will go to the news that they can trust, and as you have so convincingly pointed out, the news today was reported by lazy, biased or corrupted journalists. Which is more than a pity.Sara Foleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11199965891518640896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-23622969748845707062012-06-19T20:37:18.138+10:002012-06-19T20:37:18.138+10:00I would pay to read this. I would not pay to read...I would pay to read this. I would not pay to read Shanahan.Bossynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-45726949927328074672012-06-19T20:26:07.294+10:002012-06-19T20:26:07.294+10:00cheers peeved. Yep good example.cheers peeved. Yep good example.Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-23557571090030137742012-06-19T20:09:32.441+10:002012-06-19T20:09:32.441+10:00I just learned that loath and loathe are two diffe...I just learned that loath and loathe are two different words. Cool!Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-77534486474519159062012-06-19T19:59:56.567+10:002012-06-19T19:59:56.567+10:00Really interesting Grog.
I had only heard a few s...Really interesting Grog.<br /><br />I had only heard a few snippets of this story so this was an illumination to me. But the thing is that most people don't go to the original source. Most people are not intelligent and curious like yourself. They will have accepted this as another 'Labor hopeless' story and moved on. Shanahan's work is done. You have shown him to be nothing more than an incompetent or a liar but he's still there.<br /><br />Increasingly these days I fear for what is to come.<br /><br />I see democracy corrupted by money, partisanship and plain old bastardry and I don't see it improving. I am frightened as to what sort of country Australia is becoming. I see a media where the screeching of Piers, Andrew, and that bald bloke from the London toilet and whose name I can't remember becomes our national conversation. <br /><br />I despair as to what is to be done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-63938313836711350242012-06-19T19:55:42.047+10:002012-06-19T19:55:42.047+10:00Isn't the diversity in the media wonderful. Do...Isn't the diversity in the media wonderful. Doing a great job, that diversity. We should preserve it whole-heartedly.Garrynoreply@blogger.com