tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post1953314738779403610..comments2023-11-05T23:07:01.842+11:00Comments on Grog's Gamut: Democracy as a stuntGreg Jerichohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-61581525315709534412015-03-16T08:13:43.406+11:002015-03-16T08:13:43.406+11:00Words are cheap, good point you said that, democra...Words are cheap<a href="http://www.apapengertianahli.com" rel="nofollow">,</a> good point you said that, democracy true a stuntJuliar Nurhttp://www.apapengertianahli.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-71494334032922509402011-06-23T07:37:04.728+10:002011-06-23T07:37:04.728+10:00What I find most ironic about the situation is tha...What I find most ironic about the situation is that it is the interplay between Gillard and Abbott that keeps them both seeming relevant.<br /><br />Remove either and both would fall, shown up as empty windbags.<br /><br />Australians have been taken in by an enormous fraud - that we have two sides in politics.<br /><br />Unfortunately we have only one side, with two separate divisions who take it in turns to rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-87125230412349067202011-06-22T20:53:02.795+10:002011-06-22T20:53:02.795+10:00Shocking abuse of the parliament for ones own gran...Shocking abuse of the parliament for ones own grandiose ego-driven agenda. Abbott has over-reached yet again but receives nothing but praise from this craven media that we now have.<br /><br />Thanks be to LP,GG and AE for being the only voices of sanity. I now get up every morning and want to throw a brick through the window/door/television as I am bombarded with more bullshit from this ghastly dickhead who has no actual plan other than to destroy our parliamentary system. It just makes an old sheila want to weep that we are so bereft of political talent that this nasty piece of work is leading a party and aspiring to lead the nation.And half the nitwits in this country think that would be good.<br />Sob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-85992250227993807402011-06-22T18:39:09.823+10:002011-06-22T18:39:09.823+10:00democracy, life & everything - just as easy ...democracy, <br> life & everything<br> - just as easy as 1, 2, 3<br /> <br />1st 1, 2, 3:<br /> <br />1. fully & fairly informed<br /> <br />2. wide range of honest candidates<br /> <br />3. who if/when elected, properly represented<br /> <br />In the days of the horse & buggy, it *may* have made sense, but only if each 'leg' was adhered to. None is; 1 = dumbed-down, 2 = Lib=Lab = bipartisan = un- & anti-democratic, then 3 = reps doing what the *reps* want (or what $s want), not what *we* the people would decide - if (1st 1, 2, 3) were true; looping.<br /> <br />Some years ago the French deployed a 'smart-phone' system, practically to each home.<br /> <br />We, in our wide-brown, even resorting to fencing-wire modems, must be able to go at least 'one-up' on the Frogs?<br /> <br />Instant democracy is both possible and practical, and could once & for all bring 'of, by, for the people etc' to real-life.<br /> <br />It's *our* country, *our* lives, *our* future.<br /> <br />By *rights* we should have a say.<br /> <br />No say = possible suicide.<br /> <br />2nd 1, 2, 3:<br /> <br />1. Globalisation/neoliberal = economic rationalism is voodoo economics *designed* to make the rich obscenely richer at the expense of everyone else, and it's working.<br /> <br />2. Militarism (US+Zs) is rampant, building an empire designed to oppress the entire world, and it's mass-murdering - to steal.<br /> <br />3. The excess-CO2 climate catastrophe could, probably will lead to an extinction-event <i>par excellence</i>, taking out most of the 'top predators' (we the people, in case you didn't 'get it'), and it's accelerating, *being* accelerated. Only way to stop it is to reduce burning fossil carbon below 'sustainability' = achieve a falling CO2 concentration in our once jewel-like planet's air. Arctic ice is melting; it's visibly shrinking.<br /> <br />3rd & last 1, 2, 3:<br /> <br />Putting 1, 2, 3... next to names on a ballot very 3-4 years ain't never gunna save us - as the results over the last 63 years or so show = *prove* - see 2nd 1, 2, 3 = disaster; looping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-16994212004253087892011-06-22T13:20:42.815+10:002011-06-22T13:20:42.815+10:00Given the multi-talented Abbott's cunning stun...Given the multi-talented Abbott's cunning stunt proficiency,perhaps he could assist the Meat and Livestock Association in accelerating the resumption of the live exports stunning failure LOL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-27397797975887673672011-06-22T13:03:26.076+10:002011-06-22T13:03:26.076+10:00I know I'm probably breaking Godwin's Law,...I know I'm probably breaking Godwin's Law, but does anyone else see a hint of Dr Goebells in Abbott's antics? Tell a lie (climate change), make it a big one (we'll all be doomed by a carbon tax) and keep telling it until people start to believe it (as they are). The really sad part about our whole political landscape at the moment is that the ALP is absolutely useless. We have run out of viable choices.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-76002795362687043422011-06-22T11:31:10.120+10:002011-06-22T11:31:10.120+10:00I seem to recall the Rudd govt had an overwhelming...I seem to recall the Rudd govt had an overwhelming mandate 'from the people' to act on climate change from the 2007 election, yet Abbott crapped all over that. I always hope events like this are the long-awaited 'turning point' for him, but sadly the bar is always lowered and he keeps getting away with it.Chris Dawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01295238704439243669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-26320508801498486872011-06-22T00:59:46.489+10:002011-06-22T00:59:46.489+10:00This is Barnaby's plea when he found out Field...This is Barnaby's plea when he found out Fielding wasn't going to back the LNP's strategy on the plebiscite: <br /><br />"I ask, I hope, that in your final days here you leave with dignity, not disgrace." <br /><br />Vale Senator Fielding. The Senator has indeed left the parlament with his dignity not only intact but enhanced. Senator Joyce is a bully and puffed up goose acting beyond his station and ability.Gordicansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-62306523337021338062011-06-21T22:38:32.338+10:002011-06-21T22:38:32.338+10:00Barnaby Joyce:
"Stephen (Fielding)was guest ...Barnaby Joyce:<br /><br />"Stephen (Fielding)was guest speaker at a skeptics conference, um er what's going on here?". <br /><br />That's what he actually said. If you scripted it for a comedy skit you couldn't make it funnier.Gordicansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-76118028979567264462011-06-21T19:12:58.747+10:002011-06-21T19:12:58.747+10:00David McRae - that Kudelka cartoon is brilliant.David McRae - that Kudelka cartoon is brilliant.Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-41139926717219103932011-06-21T19:08:57.502+10:002011-06-21T19:08:57.502+10:00TA learned to use plebiscites for politial purpose...TA learned to use plebiscites for politial purposes during the Republican debate and associated referendum. He was such a stunt as to come out and say we shouldn't elect a Presdent as the winner would be a poltiician and politians cannot be trusted. Yet later the same year he had the chutzpah to complain in a press conference about Australian's making pollie bashing a sport.i vote liberal and think laternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-40104488621581609442011-06-21T18:14:43.137+10:002011-06-21T18:14:43.137+10:00And to make the whole thing even more pathethic, t...And to make the whole thing even more pathethic, the media tonight are concentrating on closed airports in Melbourne, Canberra, Sydney and Adelaide.<br /><br />By the way, this ash cloud was forecast last Sunday - the LNP should have worked out the timing like lots of other people did!2353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-6809013586384321592011-06-21T17:41:45.297+10:002011-06-21T17:41:45.297+10:00Lilly, quite right. And Abbott knows that in 10 d...Lilly, quite right. And Abbott knows that in 10 days time it's a brand new footy game. He is like a student the night before a big exam who suddenly realizes he hasn't done nearly enough work to pass this thing. Hence the plebiscite. Labor would find it a lot harder with Turnbull as an apponent. <br /><br />Listened to Nick Minchin's retirement speach and it was extremely good. Generous, warm and funny. He seems like a very nice guy (McGuaran's was awfull, had to turn the radio off). One has to ask though how someone so obviously intelligent can be a total climate change denier? I think he is still fighting the cold war.Gordicansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-58527080067809443572011-06-21T16:05:41.599+10:002011-06-21T16:05:41.599+10:00"Should we inherited any carbon tax we won’t ..."Should we inherited any carbon tax we won’t just reduce it, we will rescind it."<br /><br />There you have it. He couldn't give a stuff what "the people" want. Even Steve Fielding could see through it. Steve Fielding!Andrew McIntoshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-25452296550860306152011-06-21T15:25:34.519+10:002011-06-21T15:25:34.519+10:00It's been evident for a long time now that Dr ...It's been evident for a long time now that Dr No is still smarting over th election loss. He, and many on his side of politics, still can't accept that they are in Opposition. If they aren't in power calling the shots, then come hell or high water, they'll do everything they can to scare and misinform all those who'll listen about how bad things are and how much worse they're going to get. If you keep telling someone they should be scared or they're being ripped off, eventually the feelings of fear, loathing and greed bubble to the surface.<br />As Gillard said in QT today, Abbott is so inept he can't even pull off a stunt...but he may have done some damage (not just to himself) along the wayLillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00706046295592924407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-49391349407875901922011-06-21T14:54:55.188+10:002011-06-21T14:54:55.188+10:001. There are actually far, far, far, far more impo...1. There are actually far, far, far, far more important issues than this carbon tax.SMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07909358377188403714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-49085134480202834352011-06-21T14:11:49.561+10:002011-06-21T14:11:49.561+10:00Just watching Gillard defenestrate a hapless Abbot...Just watching Gillard defenestrate a hapless Abbott in question time with consumate ease on the plebiscite. <br /><br />This has been Abbott's biggest defeat since the election, not just because he lost but because of it being so amataurish miscalculation with not even Fielding supporting his position. It will sting him. Oh, here's Albanese with the smell of blood and moving in for a go.Gordicansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-22856128013340400752011-06-21T12:47:20.676+10:002011-06-21T12:47:20.676+10:00It'd be nice if our media took a cue from the ...It'd be nice if our media took a cue from the UK. There was a journo there recently who said that there's just one question you have to keep in mind when dealing with any politician: "Why is this lying bastard lying to me now?" Some informed analysis of political motives, of the sort I read the Gamut for, would be a welcome relief from the parroting of talking points we seem to have adopted from the American media.Oolon Colluphidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02551248140000240712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-42811022197173127382011-06-21T11:16:22.788+10:002011-06-21T11:16:22.788+10:00Top cartoon by Kudelka (it was mentioned by ABC TV...Top cartoon by Kudelka (it was mentioned by ABC TV Breakfast - a slightly different take to fawning over the Abbott the day before)<br /><br />http://www.kudelka.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/OZED110621.jpgDaveMcRaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00236295657025758519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-9663946794006148202011-06-21T10:59:26.460+10:002011-06-21T10:59:26.460+10:00so now we know what he means when he says he favou...so now we know what he means when he says he favours a guided democracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-74304243582066533422011-06-21T10:25:22.134+10:002011-06-21T10:25:22.134+10:00Mr Abbott :
"I also congratulate you Prime Mi...Mr Abbott :<br />"I also congratulate you Prime Minister for dramatically watering down the Emission Trading Scheme that you inherited."<br />Does he realise that this 'watering down' involved examining Australia's CPRS and adopting a significant number of its better characteristics?<br /><br />I wonder how many Conservative politicians around the world cringe whenever they hear Mr Abbott refer to their 'sister party'?<br />You can choose your friends but ......NormanKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00239931507788126902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-13854830336316796902011-06-21T09:39:13.001+10:002011-06-21T09:39:13.001+10:00If only we could have a plebiscite to stop Tony Ab...If only we could have a plebiscite to stop Tony Abbott debasing, debauching and traducing the will of the people from the election, ie our national plebiscite, which we had less 12 months ago. However Mr Abbott is unwilling to accept the will of the people, and their representatives in the Balance of Power who chose to side with Julia Gillard & the ALP to form government.<br /><br /> It could be a simple plebiscite question:<br /> 'Do you want Tony Abbott to dry up and blow away? Yes or No? <br /> And well worth every cent spent on it.Hillbilly Skeletonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-40355276222627609922011-06-21T09:34:01.870+10:002011-06-21T09:34:01.870+10:00My short answer: Yeah, let's have a plebiscite...My short answer: Yeah, let's have a plebiscite. Just like the one we had for the GST...<br /><br />Oh. Yeah.<br /><br />My longer answer is here:<br /><a href="http://megpie71.dreamwidth.org/17319.html" rel="nofollow">http://megpie71.dreamwidth.org/17319.html</a>Meg Thorntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315024973849851898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-70502743759925584052011-06-21T09:31:18.952+10:002011-06-21T09:31:18.952+10:00"...although Mr Abbott somewhat undermined hi...<b>"...although Mr Abbott somewhat undermined his case by saying that even if the tax passed at a plebiscite, he would go to the next election promising to rescind it."</b> The Australian today has finally savagely attacked Coalition policy.<br /><br />drsusancalvinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-45191045609576043192011-06-21T07:42:00.826+10:002011-06-21T07:42:00.826+10:00Grog's Gamut for PM in 2013!
It ain't goi...Grog's Gamut for PM in 2013!<br /><br />It ain't going to happen Red Bakersen, Honesty will get in the way.Croweyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793385212711941567noreply@blogger.com