tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post2678015941234085649..comments2023-11-05T23:07:01.842+11:00Comments on Grog's Gamut: Election 2010: Extra Time (or, do you want sugar with your tea leaves?)Greg Jerichohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-48088390198116982532010-09-07T21:02:15.852+10:002010-09-07T21:02:15.852+10:00Funny , you know. I wrote a comment in response to...Funny , you know. I wrote a comment in response to Wiltshire's article the very morning it was published, pointing out exactly the same omission of the critical part of Burke's famous quotation. <br /><br />Strangely the Australian can't have been concerned, because they didn't publish it. They don't seem to have published any other comments on the story , either. I wonder why that could be? ;)RodHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16123909218696042008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-52581178906470546822010-09-07T15:58:45.793+10:002010-09-07T15:58:45.793+10:00Katter backs Coalition and Windsor and Oakeshott b...Katter backs Coalition and Windsor and Oakeshott back Labor.<br /><br />Watch the press, we will now start seeing daily stories designed to split the indies from the govt, and plenty of hate pieces on Windsor and Oakeshott. (We've already seen them ad nauseum explaining why they should back Abbott, including the piece in this post.)<br /><br />I wonder if Katter backed the Coalition, knowing the others were going Labor, to avoid being pilloried in the press. Even if he sides with Labor now to get his share of the pork, he can always claim to be the reluctant one.Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-31205581763714200032010-09-07T15:49:24.193+10:002010-09-07T15:49:24.193+10:00A very close result.
Humility needs to be shown.A very close result.<br />Humility needs to be shown.samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-41678738640970349362010-09-07T14:26:00.520+10:002010-09-07T14:26:00.520+10:00Oh dear. It's terribly awkward when an academ...Oh dear. It's terribly awkward when an academic pushes party lines with an opinion piece. <br /><br />It's even more awkward when that opinion piece contains as many errors as you have pointed out. Have you considered emailing Dr Wiltshire about this? Or possibly the marketing/PR department? It would be nice to see their clarification.<br /><br />Nonetheless, I would dearly like a resolution and at this point I think either option is fraught with difficulty so I'm not sure if it is that bad should Tony Abbott get in. Obviously it will be a bit horrific, but at least short lived. <br /><br />The election coverage was far too kind to Abbott and I hope that we get some reasonable scrutiny over what will/won't happen because of the budget black hole. Perhaps a great big new tax to cover the shortfall?Anonymous Academichttp://thingsacademicslike.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-42020602384291734452010-09-07T11:27:31.881+10:002010-09-07T11:27:31.881+10:00Is there a wrong result? If it goes Abbott’s way,...Is there a wrong result? If it goes Abbott’s way, we will watch him struggle with reality of the public becoming aware of his agenda for the first time. There is a lot more to worry about than changes to IR laws. I believe he still has rental and education vouchers in his saddlebag. He would like to make welfare a very last choice, believing that the recipients are unworthy. He will continue to do everything in his power to weaken Medicare. I fear for our first people if he is able to unite with Mr. Pearson. The makeup of the houses will ensure that all legalisation is fully examined and revised. His slogans will no longer be enough. He will have to explain what he means. This he is unable to do, as it will expose his agenda. He has only the ability to opposed and destroy. He has not shown any skills that would enable him to lead, negotiate and work as a part of a team. Ms. Gillard would lead a government that may get some of its agenda through. She has shown for the last three years that she can negotiate and get results. She did this in three important portfolios in spite of having a hostile Senate that left Labor with very little wiggle room. I will be happy with either result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-14997951453766849042010-09-07T11:02:05.762+10:002010-09-07T11:02:05.762+10:00Excellent grog, as usual.
Also agree with Nutra&#...Excellent grog, as usual.<br /><br />Also agree with Nutra's observation of the rope a dope strategy. I thought Wilkie also did that with Abbott. In one of the News Ltd Abbott love pieces somewhere he was talking about his boxing days, and basically admitted he was just a brawler with no tactics.<br /><br />The bell rings this afternoon. My hunch - unanimous points decision for Labor.ernmalleyscatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-888470723298925972010-09-07T09:40:17.618+10:002010-09-07T09:40:17.618+10:00Agree with all comments here and Grog - with each ...Agree with all comments here and Grog - with each comment I nod my head and say "hmmm, good point", then read another conflicting point and, go, "gee, wish I'd thought of that". Very confusing. <br /><br />Gillard & co have kept a low profile - maybe they know they have it and the return of the 'real Tony' and the hysteria from the media and the Libs for a couple of weeks is enough for everyone to say, yep, they are carrying on like a pack of peas and they dont deserve it - it's the Ali 'rope a dope tactic' - ironic given the pugilist in Abbott, maybe he was just a brawler always holding his breath and swining away hoping to connect, rather than as a tactician who used his brain more than his fists?<br /><br />Behaviour wise though, Abbott and Murdoch have reverted to the bluster play book - green/left scare mongering, selective quoting of some dude from 200 years ago, puff pieces by Abbott in the Mr & Mrs Stringbag daily. And Robb is looking more and more intemperant each time I hear him mumbling and stumbling and interjecting on late line - he's coming across as shrill and shreiky and DESPERATE. <br /><br />Katter on Q&A last nite was a revelation - so much passion backed up by facts. But Tony "I'll take that as a comment as it doesn't suit my gotcha narrative" Jones was hopelessly incompetent in letting the costings issue slip, again, away from any real scrutiny bar what the fine bloggers inthe 5th estate have managed thus far. By and away, this is THE most critical issue that should inform the 3 independants, and they must be puzzled at how well they set up the scrutinisation and then how it has been basically ignored as the single most sensational aspect of this campaign!! <br /><br />Does your average Australian feel so disengaged now about politics now that such a monumental fraud has been perpetrated and no one seems to give a rats?? If it was a shonky car dealer in sydney's west doing dodgy figures or a tax office FUBAR we'd be engaged, but this is the debt & deficit party who have engaged in sloppy, callous pre-meditated and arrogant prep work in the lead up to taking back their birth right, and they wont be held to account and no one seems to care. <br /><br />I find this absolutley amazing.<br /><br />Surely failing such a basic 'due diligence' assessment meant that it was all over once Treasury made their assessment????<br /><br />Nutra.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-46168975123979628482010-09-06T23:20:20.187+10:002010-09-06T23:20:20.187+10:00My gut instinct on election night was that the thr...My gut instinct on election night was that the three of them would be very unlikely to put Abbott into government. I offer no special insight, but that's how it feels to me.<br /><br />They get to make judgements on their peers without any filter whatsoever and I'm sure if they felt that the Nats and the Libs had anything worthwhile to offer they would have gone back into the fold. Considering the active smear campaigns that the Nationals have been running against Windsor for almost twenty years I find it hard to believe that he would reward them with his support.<br /><br />In my version of the story, they've been taking the time to ensure that they have a reasonable story to sell to their electorates for not supporting the conservatives, Windsor especially. <br /><br />The easy option for them would have been to fall in to line with the coalition, no-one would have raised an eyebrow in the media, but instead they've spent over two weeks doing the responsible thing and getting the story from each side. <br /><br />That said, I admit that I have no more to go on than a hunch and some wishful thinking, just like everyone else.Dave Gaukrogerhttp://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-11615785555247240662010-09-06T23:01:27.666+10:002010-09-06T23:01:27.666+10:00After listening to Bob Katter on QandA, you can te...After listening to Bob Katter on QandA, you can tell that he thought that the Howard era was horrible for his electorate and that the Rudd Government did some good things. If he does side with Labor you can bet a lot of factional warlords will be looking very foolish that the man they dumped because of supposed poor polls was the one who convinced the independents to deliver them government.<br /><br />If Labor forms government then the real winner will be Rudd.davidbyrnes.wordpress.comhttp://Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-58058232171801317452010-09-06T22:17:20.310+10:002010-09-06T22:17:20.310+10:00Well, I do know which way they'll go. If they ...Well, I do know which way they'll go. If they had wanted to support Labor, they would have done so days ago. The Coalition's costings debacle should have sealed it, and the behaviour of their pit bull front men should have sent the Independents screaming in the opposite direction. But they are looking for a reason to side with the Coalition that doesn't make them look as shady as the party they are aligning themselves with, and the entirely inappropriate leaning on Crook will be it.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18423890439330432140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-14505821868949585702010-09-06T21:45:19.678+10:002010-09-06T21:45:19.678+10:00I think your husband is right Agnes about the jump...I think your husband is right Agnes about the jump in the polls - and I predict a few columns saying the polls show the independents made the right choice!Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-47898681933249517262010-09-06T21:19:00.021+10:002010-09-06T21:19:00.021+10:00thing i like about you Grog is that you put it all...thing i like about you Grog is that you put it all down, and never try pulling the "retrospective expert" line.<br /><br />Great post. Hope that it all comes to pass in a civilised manner.<br /><br />(the other)BernardKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-17639727285331484352010-09-06T21:17:52.751+10:002010-09-06T21:17:52.751+10:00It shouldn't, but it does make me feel better ...It shouldn't, but it does make me feel better that a smart punter like you is as clueless about the outcome as the rest of us.<br /><br />If it goes the wrong way I know I'll be miserable tomorrow. My husband predicts that whoever gets the nod will enjoy an immediate jump of around 4% in polls - choice of independent umpires etc. Though I suppose a jump in the polls now has no value other than "feel good", if the next election is as far away as the independents wish.<br /><br />Oh well, this won't make tomorrow come any faster. Thanks for another sanity saving post.Agnes Macknoreply@blogger.com