tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post3148162553404069768..comments2023-11-05T23:07:01.842+11:00Comments on Grog's Gamut: Drum Piece–Winter is ComingGreg Jerichohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-78806242023563855542012-01-19T16:11:13.490+11:002012-01-19T16:11:13.490+11:00I'm part-way through Book 4, and the ground co...I'm part-way through Book 4, and the ground constantly shifts under your feet with this series. Many of the genre conventions are ignored or downright subverted.<br /><br />I still remembe reading the moment involving Bran (which took place at the end of the first episode of the TV show) and sitting on the train with my mouth hanging open like a dolt. Wow.Aussiesmurfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11072680060029299422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-73942875863144240302012-01-13T05:04:46.143+11:002012-01-13T05:04:46.143+11:00Couldn`t agree more Grog. Over at
blogs.very.limi...Couldn`t agree more Grog. Over at <br />blogs.very.limited.news/propaganda<br />the 2010 election is still being run. <br />2012 will be filled with white-noise just like 2011.<br />I`m with you zz, between the spin doctors, lobbyists and the rest of the noise-makers, we won`t be able to hear the real newsmen anyhoo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-32048360651689519202012-01-12T17:37:38.475+11:002012-01-12T17:37:38.475+11:00David Crowe ...cr-p, the lazy useless majority of ...David Crowe ...cr-p, the lazy useless majority of writers (they don't qualify as journalists) regurgitate the worn out challenge theme weekly, it is part of the agenda, has nothing to do with scoops or being on the ball and you know it.zzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04511946572129527872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-4871841153304098172012-01-12T15:57:05.677+11:002012-01-12T15:57:05.677+11:00I've read the book and I didn't see it com...I've read the book and I didn't see it coming. Except the back blurb of the book makes Ned Stark to seem the hero. And then he goes with a decent chunk of the book left to go. The book breaks many of the common pieces of wisdom writers are told - not least of all the one where readers are supposed to be have some ability to predict what is going to happen next. Main characters aren't supposed to be casually bumped off semi-regularly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-34448464112721814512012-01-12T15:55:04.502+11:002012-01-12T15:55:04.502+11:00I've read the book and I didn't see it com...I've read the book and I didn't see it coming. Except the back blurb of the book makes Ned Stark to seem the hero. And then he does with a decent chunk of the book left to go. The book breaks many of the common pieces of wisdom writers are told - not least of all the one where readers aren't supposed to be have some ability to predict what is going to happen next. Main characters aren't supposed to be casually bumped off semi-regularly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-73882422622885917982012-01-12T14:10:48.698+11:002012-01-12T14:10:48.698+11:00Yep Carson. Completely bizarre. I have no problems...Yep Carson. Completely bizarre. I have no problems with Shanahan getting it wrong - as I wrote when the challenge happened I too got it completely wrong (massively). But to have the chutzpah to then suggest he was right all along is pretty funny (and sad).Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-39826590676950880012012-01-12T14:04:41.462+11:002012-01-12T14:04:41.462+11:00The link to Shanahan's June 23rd piece ("...The link to Shanahan's June 23rd piece ("the school of thought that it would be suicide to engineer a leadership change has prevailed") was absolute rolled gold. And then the ad? "Dennis knows the the goings-on in politics before many politicians do"? Champagne comedy!<br /><br />(CAPTCHA for this post: "Shanize". Sounds like a new verb for "to get something completely wrong and then boast about your prescience")Carson 63000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10900682924502279486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-83461280821963584282012-01-12T13:55:22.878+11:002012-01-12T13:55:22.878+11:00David
I agree but there is reporting on leadershi...David<br /><br />I agree but there is reporting on leadership that is relevant and interesting, because it does include analysis of what it means in terms of policy changes. But so much, so very much is, "oooh Newspoll is bad, and here are some senior sources I have".<br /><br />Also tensions on the leadership are important if there are good examples of it affecting how policy is being run - esp Foreign policy. <br /><br />I have no doubt Rudd is agitating for change - look how he acted in Perth during CHOGM (and I've been told also how his office acted)- but reports saying there could be change in 4-6 months time? Please. Enough with the predictions, which may be written as news, but are really attempts by journalists to be able to say they were first.<br /><br />They also can take on a bit of the Schrödinger's cat type aspect - does reporting of leadership challenges increase the likelihood of a leadership challenge, and thus in effect the reporters are just being used by challengers to get the outcome they desire?Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-62241665215810402632012-01-12T13:42:11.544+11:002012-01-12T13:42:11.544+11:00I can appreciate your frustration at seeing so muc...I can appreciate your frustration at seeing so much written about the Labor leadership. Of course, nobody’s forcing you to read it, view it, listen to it or blog it. The coverage would be completely different if Labor hadn’t dumped its leader back in June 2010. As you say on The Drum, plenty of journalists didn’t predict that – but it turned into a very big deal and it’s inevitable (and right) that journalists watch for a similar move again. The current dynamics are pretty unusual: hung parliament, deposed leader who can’t be sacked, bad polling, questions over new leader. How this plays out shapes the government, shapes the nation, etc. It’s not irrelevant. And it’s a valid ongoing story.<br /><br />I enjoyed your piece on The Drum and thanks for the charts. Just remember to pace yourself this year! That’s my plan. Tweet the cricket more often and take a breather from politics every now and again, because the leadership issue will drive you nuts.David Crowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13030450972771559128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-46324367046331936142012-01-12T13:37:05.784+11:002012-01-12T13:37:05.784+11:00Sonia, completely agree. Ned Stark being executed ...Sonia, completely agree. Ned Stark being executed was one of the best (worst?) moments in TV last year. Having not read the books I did not see it coming. Completely took me by surprise. I love it when a TV show does that, and that it also makes complete sense within the narrative. <br /><br />If this had been back in the mid 1990s and it was on free TV in terms of a social moment, it would be considered on a par with Kimberly revealing her scar on Melrose Place.... OK. I've said too much...Greg Jerichohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-15371191735078719672012-01-12T13:21:55.298+11:002012-01-12T13:21:55.298+11:00thanks for the link about wage thing ,,, I lost it...thanks for the link about wage thing ,,, I lost it and wanted it ,,,Michael Boswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599139204543500658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-6332050201066303142012-01-12T13:05:23.998+11:002012-01-12T13:05:23.998+11:00Yeh bring on march but jeez I'll miss Ned Star...Yeh bring on march but jeez I'll miss Ned Stark. I'm still in mourning. Oh and I'm still on political holidays. The only politics I'm interested in at the moment is the reuns of the west wing on foxtelSoniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02129398639035921852noreply@blogger.com