tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post3943837020616357258..comments2023-11-05T23:07:01.842+11:00Comments on Grog's Gamut: Election 2010: Extra Time (or, Seven Habits of Highly Effective Independents)Greg Jerichohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04956402439870441083noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-48295274896799324842010-08-27T12:10:47.586+10:002010-08-27T12:10:47.586+10:00Sorry Alistair Baillieu-McEwan, I had not read you...Sorry Alistair Baillieu-McEwan, I had not read your post prior to making my own. I do agree with your conclusion.wigmobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-6979381203931047302010-08-27T12:04:22.698+10:002010-08-27T12:04:22.698+10:00Grog,
Thanks for your continuing high quality ana...Grog,<br /><br />Thanks for your continuing high quality analysis.<br /><br />The recalcitrant stance that the Coalition has made regarding the unreliability of the Treasury and or the Treasurer regarding the "leaked" document before the election leads me to suspect that maybe the document was actually leaked by the Coalition itself to create the furphy that the Treasury could not be trusted with analysing the Coalition's election promises.wigmobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-18375661590547410902010-08-26T21:05:18.104+10:002010-08-26T21:05:18.104+10:00Au contraire, el Grogus. It's as plain as the ...Au contraire, el Grogus. It's as plain as the nose on your face why TAbbott & the Cons are behaving the way they are. You almost figured it out yourself, & I'm surprised you didn't draw the logical conclusion based upon your own observations. Ergo, the Coalition have already started campaigning for the next election. The one they believe they will win this time. A sqizz at Shamahan's latest offering would have belled that cat pretty conclusively. Along the lines of, "You will vote again, and again, until you get it Right".<br /> Having known of Abbott from my own days at Sydney University, I can attest to the fact that he has indeed, as he said himself, been working his whole life to get to be Prime Minister. He started back then. A life as one long campaign. And, by gum, he's not going to give up striving for it now that it is so tantalisingly close to becoming his yearned-for reality.<br />So he's back on the campaign trail again, aided and abetted by his Catholic mafia confreres in Ltd News. This really will be the Heavyweight Title Fight they've been shaping up for. The News Corp Conservative Borg, which has virtually incorporated all the Conservative parties of the world, vs representative parliamentary democracy, the Union movement and the progressive movement.<br /> I'd buy some popcorn if I was you. We've a ways to go yet.Hillbilly Skeletonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-7623918636720728612010-08-26T20:33:04.603+10:002010-08-26T20:33:04.603+10:00Hey, I wonder if the "John Birmignham" w...Hey, I wonder if the "John Birmignham" who commented on your Drum piece is the guy who wrote that book about sharehousing, just slightly misspelled? And that Ralph Fiennes photo seems to be causing absolute chaos. Good work! <br /><br />Also, hope the move's going well.Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-74325904147709706562010-08-26T18:56:01.628+10:002010-08-26T18:56:01.628+10:00http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/26/2994...http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/26/2994588.htm?section=justin<br /><br />Now it all revolves around the time it takes <br />"once a police investigation into the Treasury leak is resolved".<br /><br />How quickly can Treasury run the numbers?<br /><br />If a decision is deferred until Friday 03/092010 when the 3 Independent MHRs review their position again, and this is also a time when most electorate results will be declared, we may know more.<br /><br />Wilkie will have to make a decision at some point other than one that advances the people of his electorate of Denison.<br /><br />The WA Nat will have to make it clear that he will sit on the cross benches or side with the NATS.<br /><br />If we have 1 Green (ALP inclined), 4 Independents and 1 WA Nat [that is 6], all sitting on the cross benches, then the major parties will have 144 members. <br /><br />No one knows how the final votes will fall but it looks more and more like 72 each now that Corangamite is out of Intensive Care.<br /><br />Who said this was a boring election?<br /><br />#samAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-44423838550707663992010-08-26T15:11:14.172+10:002010-08-26T15:11:14.172+10:00Grog,
I think Abbott & Co. have been steadily ...Grog,<br />I think Abbott & Co. have been steadily laying the ground so that on winning the election they would be able to say (as they have previously) that there is a Labor "BLACK HOLE". <br />To have all the financial cards and figures on the public table pulls the rug out from under their feet somewhat, so in my opinion they will do everything they can to avoid it, hence their refusal to submit a large number of costings to Treasury prior to the election. Although it's probable that the "criminal" Treasury leak they are now emphasising did in fact come from either Treasury or Labor staffers, it would not surprise me if the leak had actually come from their own side so they could avoid further scrutiny on costings prior to the election. If they get up now, how long do we have to wait before we hear about the "GREAT NEW BLACK HOLE IN THE BUDGET". I hope the Independants stick to their request.Alistair Baillieu-McEwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-22395720303605565472010-08-26T11:00:54.103+10:002010-08-26T11:00:54.103+10:00Anyone notice we have not heard from Barnaby? How ...Anyone notice we have not heard from Barnaby? How long will it last?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-60062619917458784022010-08-26T10:23:11.356+10:002010-08-26T10:23:11.356+10:00One thing, Grog - your accounting at the end of th...One thing, Grog - your accounting at the end of the numbers (ALP v. Coalition) does appear to give Herr Crook to the Coalition. My understanding is that he reckons to sit on the crossbenches. Is there an asymmetry between your treatment of his allegiances in comparison with Bandt's?Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-76742524151104577392010-08-26T09:53:55.783+10:002010-08-26T09:53:55.783+10:00The old phrase involving petards and hoisting come...The old phrase involving petards and hoisting comes to mind.<br /><br />Abbott & Co. thought they were playing hte costings game so cleverly - and they probably were, if they had got the numbers.<br /><br />Now, it looks like they aren't going to be able wriggle out of scrutiny.<br /><br />As you pointed out, last night's escuse was the PS couldn't understand their costings, today they won't submit until the Treasury leaker is prosecuted.<br /><br />Tomorrow may well be the dog ate it, at this rate of obfucation.BigBonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-6906331488001237542010-08-26T09:51:30.224+10:002010-08-26T09:51:30.224+10:00Shanahan at the Oz thinks we should just forget th...Shanahan at the Oz thinks we should just forget the independents and have another election. Seems he doesn't want the financial costings to be evaluated by treasury either. Fancy that! So, instead, just embroil the whole country in another election to save the Liberals from scrutiny. Trust us, you know!Longfulannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-37072009104723890602010-08-26T09:01:19.413+10:002010-08-26T09:01:19.413+10:00It's good to see your move hasn't adversel...It's good to see your move hasn't adversely affected your abilities to blog, Grog.Andosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-120795857639141142010-08-26T01:11:27.940+10:002010-08-26T01:11:27.940+10:00I've followed your work closely since about we...I've followed your work closely since about week two of the election, and have loved it. But since the hung parliament you've gone up another level. Well played on the drum article, that was great tooDechttp://www.twitter.com/declanfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-85769310106103989802010-08-26T00:25:25.182+10:002010-08-26T00:25:25.182+10:00I think one of the Inds. mentioned a govt. funded ...I think one of the Inds. mentioned a govt. funded campaign as opposed to corporate and unions and other donors. Back to the latest turn by Mr. Rabbott, what a laugh after all the "dog ate my homework" quips during the campaign. Looks as if JG had her assignment all wrapped up and ready in smart black folders today. <br />Another great article Grog, thank you.Pipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-63228499579786382912010-08-25T23:56:04.205+10:002010-08-25T23:56:04.205+10:00Grog, The Coalition's numbers, and the way the...Grog, The Coalition's numbers, and the way they were presented left me with precisely the same smell in my nostrils that Peter Martin is giving vent to. But it's not true that an Abbott Govt would have to break lots of promises. There are always things you've not promised to do in an election campaign that you can do. (though if it's a really really big lot of billions, there are also savings measures in there that they can't deliver - like staff freezes of the magnitude they're after - so it would have to be a pretty sturdy old hunt.Nicholas Gruenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08979019731787830666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-86245072884901166892010-08-25T23:46:22.983+10:002010-08-25T23:46:22.983+10:00The Libs need 73 to govern. Anything less and the...The Libs need 73 to govern. Anything less and they're screwed. Whereas Labor could do it with 72.Alisternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-44536191746801431442010-08-25T23:42:32.156+10:002010-08-25T23:42:32.156+10:00Have been very ill for the last few days, too tire...Have been very ill for the last few days, too tired to properly follow the news, so I have relied solely on you to keep me updated!<br /><br />Good column in The Drum, too. Glad to see you with some serious coverage. Here's to hoping we start getting a media that takes us more seriously.<br /><br />BTW, has anyone ever told you you look like Joseph Fiennes? You could be his brother!Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-62360141214959258412010-08-25T23:26:14.803+10:002010-08-25T23:26:14.803+10:00Very chuffed to see you writing for the Drum. You ...Very chuffed to see you writing for the Drum. You deserve it.<br /><br />At this point in proceedings, the natural character of Labor works far better than that of the Liberals. Labor people tend to be more used to the notion of arbitration while the Liberals will be more likely to just try to buy them off. I think this shows in the way Abbott seems completely lost. He's neither in government, nor opposition, nor running a campaign and you can tell that is just doesn't quite compute. His apology to Andrew Wilkie today is utterly disingenuous.<br /><br />The irony is that what this is really all about now is ENTERPRISE BARGAINING. <br />Not so good when the shoe is on the other foot, is it Tony?Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412983524190021368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-76699055184935266102010-08-25T23:23:35.620+10:002010-08-25T23:23:35.620+10:00I would like to know more about what the independe...I would like to know more about what the independents mean by a 'reform plan' for political donations. <br /><br />It's all very well for Malcolm Turnbull to strategically criticise corporate and union donations (7pm Project). He would know that there are plenty of millionaires who are likely to make hefty donations to the Libs if corporations are prevented from doing so, but ordinary working people don't have that kind of money. <br /><br />We need to pool our resources through unions to exercise our political will. And the unions are not exclusively backing the ALP either - some like the ETU and CFMEU have funded the Greens. In other words, they are responsive to their memberships wishes. <br /><br />Corporate donations and union donations cannot be equated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-45295347960273456752010-08-25T23:17:29.858+10:002010-08-25T23:17:29.858+10:00The coalition may be a bit squeezed. Shonky if the...The coalition may be a bit squeezed. Shonky if they won't let treasury do costings and exposed if they do. Pity it couldn't have happened before we all voted. Thanks again Grog for your great work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8434369190746987531.post-75605556604968952092010-08-25T22:57:18.326+10:002010-08-25T22:57:18.326+10:00I was impressed by JG's letter and have a hope...I was impressed by JG's letter and have a hope that Labor may have learned their lesson very quickly. <br /><br />If Labor does become a minority government, it could be the remaking of the party into a positive force again ending the cancerous influence of the NSW right. <br /><br />Then again, Labor have let me down before. <br /><br />Interesting times tinged with optimism but despair is hanging around in case it is needed.Shaunhttp://www.polydaidaloi.comnoreply@blogger.com